I am a long-time Poser user, currently running ver. 7. Saying that, I have owned D/S 1, 2, 3 and now 4. I've never been able to get past the idea that there are problems with both programs. Poser is in desperate need of major overhaul to clean up crud dating back to its origin. DAZ, in its huge desire to be different, has simply created a whole new set of errors. But D/S 4 takes the cake: This total "nerfing" of the software with it's emphasis on drag-on-drop is cute but simply means that newcomers to human figure 3D will not the basics of the art/technology. But DAZ apparently wants a world that wouldn't put anything into it's software put DAZ and DAZ 3rd-party products. It is my opinion that new users will take the freebie, buy some add-ons, and burn out on the buy, buy, buy thing, on one hand, and on the limitations to their resources (if they have to constantly buy and cannot learn how to import other models and mats), on the other. Furthermore, the "free" D/S is turning out to be a scam to sell more expensive plug-ins. And, finally, I used to think the Poser references were lame but DAZ has made a fine art of providing the thinnest resources available. (The Bryce 7 Handbook is still missing.) Of course, this is in keeping with the industry: I spent okver $1800 for CS4 and there are not longer organized references for Photoshop - everything is a hit or miss document search. I must be getting old, as a consumer I'm pretty fed up with all these guys.