thanks David,i will look into those , but I did already look in here at cg, and at daz, and could not find what I was looking for, is really about how to model the clothes, an imported them into daz, and how to make them you know posable por the charaters,my tools are wings 3d,I got daz studio, also I did used blender but found it anoying, too complicated,cant be bother to learn it also I have gimp, all the free software I could find, i think they are great programs,but they lack quality at rendering,again thanks